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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:08 pm |
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| elizabeth |
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Oh yes!!! That nails it!!
Thanks, Bob, for your encouragement. When I first left religious life I could not give up my old black and white concept of God. When I finally realized that concept no longer worked for me I started on a new search, but it was quite frightening because I felt like I had no anchor, nothing concrete I could dig my fingers into and say "This Is God".
I think back to some of the writings I read by old mystics of bygone eras and I think it's very true that entering a monastery would not eliminate the uncertainty. After many years away from that way of life, I sometimes still yearn for it because I too think it "should" give me certainty. But I know better, and so I plug on, realizing I can find the peace and silence and solitude I still crave in the midst of my current world. It is a daily seeking. If I am faithful, I always find... well, Something, even if I can't define it.
| Quote: | | I can see that God is there in all aspects of the situation, and isn't taking sides or offering opinions | . I could struggle until time ends with the dilemma of evil (or betrayal or whatever word you want to assign) without arriving at any answer. The only answer for me is just what you have described - God is there in all aspects of the situation. It is up to me to figure out what that means for me: I'm not responsible for figuring out what any particular event, etc. means for anybody else. I find peace when I can see God in my life, in each situation, but I sure can't interpret anything for anyone else (much as I might like to)!
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:10 pm |
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Cool. Thanks, Elizabeth. Yes, it's difficult to maintain an "equanimity" of viewpoint that is willing to consider several aspects of a given situation. My tendency is that I want to be right, and I want everyone to acknowledge it.
I'm taking a Philosophy class, working toward finishing a degree. It's been informative and enlightening to gain insight into the ancient roots of much of our Western Ways. We've gone through a phase of Socrates, who was the pillar upon which most of our roots in Logic are built. Oddly, he devised and used logical constructs to throw (or drag or push or force) people beyond their encrusted rational thought process into considering expanded viewpoints that often had no solid concrete form or answers. I can see many correlations to the life and approach taken several years later by Jesus, even to the point that, in the end, he was executed for his belief and willingness to take a stand for it. Further, his main disciple was Plato. Then, Plato's main disciple was Aristotle. Much of their writings and dealings had to do with the exact problems we face today, even the ones I hear shared in our meetings.
Then there comes for me | Quote: | | "What is a functional definition of God (understood or beyond my understanding) that I can work with"? |
I am hard pressed to offer a solid answer to this question, but I can offer that I continue to seek. And as I've continued to seek, my interpretation has expanded. Today, I find that my concept (or lack thereof) perceives a Loving God that is equally available to all creatures. What this might come down to in Earthly terms I know not, but I am willing to take, with faithful certainty, that it is there for me... on a daily basis IF I put out the effort to look for it. | Quote: | | God finds me if I seek Him. |
Stated another way: If I go about my daily rounds and routines with my priorities in order, such as meditate regularly, go to meetings, work the steps, stick with the fellowship - life at large takes care of itself, and problems solve themselves automatically.
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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:00 pm |
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| Quote: | | God finds me if I seek Him. |
When I first came to Al-Anon my sponsor referred me to another women in my home group who she felt might be a better guide in the HP search. This woman's story was simple - "I searched and searched for God: when I quit searching, He found me." I love that. I liken it to being lost while hiking - it is better to sit in one place and let oneself be found than to wander aimlessly and become hopelessly lost.
It feels like I have been on a spiritual quest my whole life, in one form or another. I have tried to study philosophies and religions but I can get so caught up in either wanting what others have (instead of pursing my own path) or in debating what others believe that that kind of formal study only tends to distract me. I've worked with a spiritual director for going on four years and find that wonderfully helpful. Just meditating every day (well, fairly often anyway) is a great help.
Bob, just before I read your post on 6/30 I read the meditation from that day in "Courage to Change". It's simplicity made me laugh out loud. I refer you to that reading if you want a smile.
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:43 am |
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Elizabeth:
Thanks for the reference. I can't get to it right now, but I'll check it out. An interesting facet of the situation that I've found recently is that, if I practice meditation regularly, stick with the program (steps, meetings, fellowship, literature, etc.), and take care of myself - the rest of life falls into place all by itself. In other words, God follows me around if I do what I need to do to keep Him "on my trail".
I'm working yet another fourth step in a sponsorship situation, brought about by the heat of the "daily forge of life itself". It's interesting that issues are up for me which have been somewhat in the background of my personality all my life. At this point, they've become the dominant "burr under the saddle", and are begging for attention. I find it interesting that the Path involves seeking Truth outside and inside myself. Then again, as it's been stated repeatedly in meetings,
| Quote: | | Happiness is an inside job. |
Or, from the Al-Anon preamble
| Quote: | | We discovered that we could find contentment, and even happiness, whether the alcoholic was still drinking or not. |
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Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:42 pm |
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| Quote: | | If I go about my daily rounds and routines with my priorities in order... life at large takes care of itself, and problems solve themselves automatically. |
Small miracles.
One of my triggers is my qualifier, who has a somewhat volatile reaction to life when things don't go his way - a flashback to living with an OCD/alcoholic mother. Whenever I encounter a situation which I think will push his buttons I feel an automatic surge of fear and immediately begin to think of how to solve the issue or at least avoid it.
As I have become aware of my fear and my reaction to his behavior, I have begun praying about it - asking to have that fear removed but most of all praying only for the knowledge of His will for me and the power to carry that out.
Whenever I pray about a character defect I (unfortunately) have an image in mind of exactly how my HP should remove it. I am always surprised that my HP's plan is generally very different from how I envision things.
Today my qualifier came to me and asked - in a very calm and rational manner - for my input on a situation that is bothering him. He said that he knows he is often unreasonable in his expectations and wanted some more objective feedback as to what might be reasonable in this situation.
Well!!! That was something I never expected!! But I can see it so clearly as the answer to my prayer. I did not have to do anything to "fix" him - and, of course, it wasn't up to me to do anything. He has his own HP - my job was to work on my own reactions and let him work on himself. As always, the outcome surprised me!!
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